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Will we be burned at the stake??

by Teri_R @ 18. Apr. 2008. - 20:02:08

A change in the law could mean mediums, psychics and healers face prosecution if they cannot justify their claims. Spiritualists are delivering a mass petition to Downing Street and complaining that a genuine religion is being discriminated against

Read it here

As a spiritualist I'm not worried, if this is ever used against the religion then we need to ask when we will be asking other religions for proof of their beliefs. In church people attending the weekly service are asked to pay a freewill donation, as in other churches. We work under 7 principles which I have listed below, along with my definition.

There are sceptics out there that will use this law, like a big stick to attack something they don't understand. I am not naive, there are frauds, people whose sole aim is to benefit from the gift they are given, and by doing so work on ego, hence they lose the gift and rely on cold reading etc.

The Fatherhood of God

By the study of Nature - that is, by trying to understand the Laws of Cause & Effect which govern all that is happening around us - we recognise that there is a creative force in the universe. This force, or energy, not only created the whole universe, but also life itself in its many forms and is continuing to create today. The effects of this eternal creation can be seen around us and this leads us to the evidence that 'God' - 'The Creative Force' - manifests directly, or indirectly, in all things. We know this power as God and as we are part of the Life created by God, we acknowledge God as our Father.

The Brotherhood of Man
Because we all come from the same universal life source we are, in effect, one large family, small individual offshoot from the whole. This means that all mankind is part of a brotherhood. A brotherhood is a community for mutual support and comfort. We are all members of the same divine family. We need to share our joys as well as our burdens; we need to understand the needs of other individuals in order to assist them as part of our service to each other. As we learn to give so must we also learn to receive thereby achieving the necessary balance for our life. We must look not only to the material necessities of our fellow creatures but also to their spiritual needs and help those in need to become strong and worthy of their relationship in the Family of God.

Communion of Spirits and the Ministry of Angels

All religions believe in life after death but only Spiritualism shows that it is true by demonstrating that communication with departed spirits can and does take place. Spiritualist Churches provide one of the venues where communication, through mediumship, is possible and many loved relatives and friends take advantage of this opportunity to continue to take an interest in our welfare. There are also spirit people/teachers who are dedicated to the welfare and service of mankind. Some (e.g. Silver Birch) bring inspiration and teachings whilst others work within the healing ministry.

Continuous Existence of the Human Soul

It is scientifically proven that matter (being part of the creative force, or energy) cannot be destroyed; it merely changes its form. Spirit, as part of the Creative Force is, therefore, indestructible. On the death of the physical body, the spirit continues as an integral part of a world, which interpenetrates our world but in a different dimension. This world is referred to as the Spirit World. In spirit life we have a spirit body, which until we progress far enough, is a replica of our earthly body. We are the same individuals in every way with the same personalities and characteristics and we change only by progression, or otherwise, as a result of our own efforts. Our personal responsibilities do not stop at death.

Personal Responsibility

This principle is the one which places responsibility for wrongful thoughts and deeds where it belongs - with the individual. It is the acceptance of responsibility for every aspect of our lives and the use to which we place our lives depends entirely upon ourselves. It is not possible for any other person, or outside influence, to interfere with our spiritual development, unless we are willing to allow this. No one can put right the wrongdoing except the offender. As we are given freedom of choice (freewill) so also are we given the ability to recognise what is right from what is wrong. We are totally, as well as personally, responsible.

Compensation and Retribution hereafter for all Good and Evil Deeds done on Earth
As with all the other Principles, the natural laws apply and this one echoes the law of Cause and Effect (as you sow, so shall you reap). One cannot be cruel and vindictive towards others and expect love and popularity in return. It must be understood that the compensatory or retributive effects of this law operate now -on earth - they do not wait until we begin to live in the Spirit World.

Eternal Progress open to every Human Soul
In every heart there exists the desire for progress and to every human spirit belongs the power to progress in wisdom and love.
All who desire to tread the path that leads to perfection are able to pursue it. The rate of progress is directly proportional to the desire for mental and spiritual understanding. If we do our best in earth life to follow our inward prompting or intuitions; we shall find progress very easy, on earth as in spirit; if not, every step in advancement will follow a struggle against imperfections, which we ourselves will have worked into our natures. Within the Family of God, with all the advantages that our realisation of that state can give us, we are all given the opportunity to be responsible for our own eternal progress.

What are your thoughts?

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cj592cj592 pro
2008-04-18 @ 20:07

As soon as we have to start offering prrof, then all religion is in jeopardy, isn't it?

"Unless you can prove there's a heaven....."

Teri_RTeri_R pro
2008-04-18 @ 20:10

Exactly

Services in spiritualism are now starting with a disclaimer....can't wait for the pope to do his audience!

tylluanpenrytylluanpenry pro
2008-04-18 @ 21:16

Fascinating post. What concerns me is 'Where does evidence end and proof begin?'
I've seen loads of evidence - but some people still argue that it isn't 'proof.'

Teri_RTeri_R pro
2008-04-18 @ 22:14

Exactly, should we begin to question everything we're told and as for solid proof in "scientific conditions"?

adamantixxadamantixx [Member]
http://adamantixx.blog.co.uk
2008-04-18 @ 22:26

the word 'persecution' springs to mind here, hun, if they threatened any other religion in this way then there'd be uproar x

Teri_RTeri_R pro
2008-04-18 @ 22:37

I know, on one forum someone said "but spiritualists etc take money off people" Erm....the catholic church has taken loads from their parishioners for years. My friend can remember the priest coming weekly to the house to take money!

adamantixxadamantixx [Member]
http://adamantixx.blog.co.uk
2008-04-18 @ 22:42

many religions even take 10% of their followers income, like a tax, not to mention all the voluntary donations.
i can't see how they could legally demand a pre-service discliamer for one religion without demanding it of all the others too.

Teri_RTeri_R pro
2008-04-18 @ 22:50

Exactly....but I can see certain fractions weilding it like a stick!

adamantixxadamantixx [Member]
http://adamantixx.blog.co.uk
2008-04-18 @ 22:59

i really think the government should be concentrating on a lot more pressing issues than Spiritualism...like trying to make this country safe to live in again!

Teri_RTeri_R pro
2008-04-19 @ 13:41

Oh, don't worry....our PM is back from licking USA's arse!

Jacqui [Visitor]

2008-04-19 @ 17:33

Well is this really what the government are after... I mean is it to really protect the vulnerable etc... or is it another scam by the government to obtain more money! Ok I believe that there are some psychic sharks out there.. But then there are the real people too. How many as you have said ask the Pope to prove what he says is true or false? What people choose to believe is up to them. Not the government! Just because someone says... There is a god.. or whatever unless you see them in the flesh do you believe? It is up to you.
We have to make our own minds up, not to penalise the people who do have an ability. Will they (the government) ever stop with this Big Brother attitude or this nanny state that they have most people believing will be better for everyone pfft!! (More like control). I personally don’t like all those psychic lines via telephone and the large sites on the internet, but that is any one person’s choice to phone or visit them.. is it not?
There are also the great sites where they help you to enhance your mediumistic gifts and not shun you away like most people do when they are scared of something that they don't know anything about, also they do not charge. If a medium wishes to charge.. then so be it.. if they want a free reading then there are places with legitimate people who will do this for free.
If you are scared of heights, are you going to jump out of an aeroplane? No...So I think they should stop picking on people who believe in hope, comfort and helping one another! After all isn't that what any religion is all about!

Whoops went on a little there sorry!

Dragonlady [Visitor]
http://www.triangleoflife.com
2008-04-18 @ 22:48

What other religion is asked to prove itself in law? none that i know of. So why is it neccessary for spiritualism to do so. All religions make money from their congregation. No one forces people to pay for what they want whether it is a church collection plate, a tithe of their earnings or a reading etc. This is another instance of free will to choose being supressed and surely there is enough supression and oppression already in this world. If we help one person and comfort them in their grief or loss or healing it is worth while. I have never taken a penny for my gift but i do not degrade all that do they have to live and for some it is their only way.

Walk always in the light and may the shadows never reach you.........May your God walk with you and bless you always.

Teri_RTeri_R pro
2008-04-18 @ 23:10

Thanks for visiting.

I agree 100% with everything you say. I am just starting my spiritual pathway and have never taken payment. When I have done service in church (all 2 of em...lol) I refused the expenses. The church have helped me on my path so I saw it as further assistance. For now I have no need but I know some do and do charge. However, most if faced with a person in need would give a reading if spirit came forward for them to do so.

SolomonsTemple [Visitor]

2008-04-19 @ 06:43

This act must include all freemasons, Rosicrucian's , knights templar and all organisations, as they do healing, and teach people how to open the third eye. MR GORDON BROWN is a FREEMASON. Does he also become liable for prosecution. If they knew the true meaning of freemasonry , then they would know , they have brought themselves under this law.. Included also are most Judges, as they follow these beliefs,

This is like the witch hunts of the middle ages all over again.

Most mediums on the internet do not charge. Then spend hours helping people for nothing. If healing works for a person then this is a good thing. Mr brown has just put the spiritualists back in the dark ages.

Teri_RTeri_R pro
2008-04-19 @ 08:39

Thanks so much for visiting and commenting

Dragonlady [Visitor]
http://www.triangleoflife.com
2008-04-19 @ 12:12

Who I wonder is going to ask the pope and all Catholic churchmen to prove that when they raise the host in church it is the true body of Christ. Since tudor times this has been a bone of contention and caused the tudors to break from the catholic church (plus henry's proclivity for feminine charms) However, it is still followed and cannot be proven one way or the other, so how will they judge spiritualism and those that bring comfort to millions. As Adamantixx says this is persecution, and takes us back to the days of the Witchfinder general.
Blessings

Teri_RTeri_R pro
2008-04-19 @ 13:34

That's why the law should not be passed, it is totally a one sided view. Someone said it's to stop mailshot etc from mediums who "prey on vulnerable people"

Erm.....whatever your faith when someone dies the first person who comes knocking is the local vicar, who asks you to pay for his services for the funeral.

When I die my service will be in the Spiritualist church, where I know any money spent towards it will ensure the church can continue with doors open should anyone want to come in.

Gosh I could go on...and on...and on..

abby [Visitor]
http://www.mediumysticss.com/
2008-04-19 @ 12:50

Great post terri, hope you don't mind but i sent the link to a few friends onsite.

I've heard this talked about for a while now, how are they gonna prove fraud?
Is helping someone in there time of grief and need fraud? spiritualism has come a long way in modern times and is no threat to any religion, maybe Mr Brown is a little worried that politicians arnt controling our minds anymore and we have made better use of them, I'v seen more politictions in the new's and on TV with the word 'FRAUD'connected. Maybe Mr Brown should look in his own backyard 1st before interfering in ours

loads of love to you xxxxx

Teri_RTeri_R pro
2008-04-19 @ 13:26

It's now down to us to prove we're not a frauds, hence the needs for disclaimers before services and heling.

I saw all the messages, thanks, I must pop on the the site, been pants with intenet communication of late.

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